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	<title>Comments on: Why openupnow&#8217;s open primaries won&#8217;t work</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimer: I am a US citizen, not UK. But I have friends who work in and care about the UK government and democracy.

Your first couple points don&#039;t make much of an impact for me. Cost shouldn&#039;t be a concern here; primaries are expensive, but vastly worth it.

Your third point about disengaging local party activists is interesting (I wouldn&#039;t have thought of it) but the potential rewards of engaging the citizenry at large is too important to put the interests of a small group ahead of a large one.  Party activists here in the US work as hard (or harder) during the primaries as during the general election.  It&#039;s more doors to knock and more people to get involved in the campaign; it only grows the political machine of modern US campaigns.

Primaries in the US are a response to a complicated set of factors, more than just Tammany Hall, and have only opened up gradually over the last century, state by state.  At this point, we&#039;re sticking with them and people are never going to give up their right to choose their candidates.

The basic win of having a primary is for your MP to be vulnerable to political pressure from either side.  It gives both the left and right a voice and leverage in guiding a politician&#039;s behavior, and that&#039;s a valuable tool in any democracy, US or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer: I am a US citizen, not UK. But I have friends who work in and care about the UK government and democracy.</p>
<p>Your first couple points don&#8217;t make much of an impact for me. Cost shouldn&#8217;t be a concern here; primaries are expensive, but vastly worth it.</p>
<p>Your third point about disengaging local party activists is interesting (I wouldn&#8217;t have thought of it) but the potential rewards of engaging the citizenry at large is too important to put the interests of a small group ahead of a large one.  Party activists here in the US work as hard (or harder) during the primaries as during the general election.  It&#8217;s more doors to knock and more people to get involved in the campaign; it only grows the political machine of modern US campaigns.</p>
<p>Primaries in the US are a response to a complicated set of factors, more than just Tammany Hall, and have only opened up gradually over the last century, state by state.  At this point, we&#8217;re sticking with them and people are never going to give up their right to choose their candidates.</p>
<p>The basic win of having a primary is for your MP to be vulnerable to political pressure from either side.  It gives both the left and right a voice and leverage in guiding a politician&#8217;s behavior, and that&#8217;s a valuable tool in any democracy, US or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky Hogge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky Hogge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stuart

Thanks for engaging with the campaign - it&#039;s much appreciated. I&#039;ve pulled out some of the questions you&#039;ve raised for a blog Q&amp;A we&#039;re doing on the Open Up! site later this week, but if you&#039;d like to engage more directly, just leave a comment in this post:

http://blog.openupnow.org/2009/10/20/questions-ask-vernon/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stuart</p>
<p>Thanks for engaging with the campaign &#8211; it&#8217;s much appreciated. I&#8217;ve pulled out some of the questions you&#8217;ve raised for a blog Q&amp;A we&#8217;re doing on the Open Up! site later this week, but if you&#8217;d like to engage more directly, just leave a comment in this post:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.openupnow.org/2009/10/20/questions-ask-vernon/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.openupnow.org/2009/10/20/questions-ask-vernon/</a></p>
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		<title>By: In order to save democracy, we had to destroy it &#171; What You Can Get Away With</title>
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		<dc:creator>In order to save democracy, we had to destroy it &#171; What You Can Get Away With</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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