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		<title>By: The PR Talent Pool Could Use Some Chlorine &#124; CyberFootprint</title>
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		<dc:creator>The PR Talent Pool Could Use Some Chlorine &#124; CyberFootprint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve heard, not only Czech practitioners are struggling with the issue. Stuart Bruce discussed the similar problem and I am sure it&#8217;s growing rampant in the U.S. as well. Is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve heard, not only Czech practitioners are struggling with the issue. Stuart Bruce discussed the similar problem and I am sure it&#8217;s growing rampant in the U.S. as well. Is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: annejaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>annejaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely true!Leading brands inspire trust, affection and life-long loyalty from consumers and giving their owners many times the margin and ROI of competitors. Top brands get the best deals from retailers and the best facings. Being a successful brand really matters. You have done good effort to spread such an important information among people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.howtogetyourexbacknow.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drive a man wild&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely true!Leading brands inspire trust, affection and life-long loyalty from consumers and giving their owners many times the margin and ROI of competitors. Top brands get the best deals from retailers and the best facings. Being a successful brand really matters. You have done good effort to spread such an important information among people.<br /><a href="http://www.howtogetyourexbacknow.org/" rel="nofollow">drive a man wild</a></p>
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		<title>By: robskinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>robskinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve come late to this post. As many have said, Stuart makes an excellent point. There&#039;s no substitute to personal research into who might be interested in your story. And much as we&#039;d all like superlative, blanket coverage, the reality is that well targeted PR may get you much better results with a handful of newspapers, broadcasters or bloggers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As an old hand (established in PR in 1987), I remember having to decide whether a story deserved a bike (in London), first class post or a fax. And yes, back in &#039;87, I asked what my colleague meant when he asked me to send the news release to the news release distribution company by bike. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By the way, do people still send photos to radio stations? That was one of the big howlers in the 8os!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve come late to this post. As many have said, Stuart makes an excellent point. There&#39;s no substitute to personal research into who might be interested in your story. And much as we&#39;d all like superlative, blanket coverage, the reality is that well targeted PR may get you much better results with a handful of newspapers, broadcasters or bloggers.</p>
<p>As an old hand (established in PR in 1987), I remember having to decide whether a story deserved a bike (in London), first class post or a fax. And yes, back in &#39;87, I asked what my colleague meant when he asked me to send the news release to the news release distribution company by bike. </p>
<p>By the way, do people still send photos to radio stations? That was one of the big howlers in the 8os!</p>
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		<title>By: The Digital Week &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Digital Week &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, this means that coverage has been absolutely everywhere. Nicely done, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] course, this means that coverage has been absolutely everywhere. Nicely done, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Branscombe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Branscombe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>couldn&#039;t agree more. I seem to have reached my limit on making polite noises about the &#039;did you receive our press release&#039; calls from prs who go on to ask &#039;do you cover this sort of thing?&#039;&lt;br&gt;. grrrrrr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>couldn&#39;t agree more. I seem to have reached my limit on making polite noises about the &#39;did you receive our press release&#39; calls from prs who go on to ask &#39;do you cover this sort of thing?&#39;<br />. grrrrrr</p>
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		<title>By: Media databases promote mechanical networks &#124; Wadds' PR Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media databases promote mechanical networks &#124; Wadds' PR Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stuart Bruce says that the combination of media databases and inexperienced PR executives are the root cause of PR spam. &#8220;While I applaud [the inconvenient PR truth] initiative, I’m not totally convinced about either the approach or if it will work. It also fails to mention the elephant in the room – the media database companies.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stuart Bruce says that the combination of media databases and inexperienced PR executives are the root cause of PR spam. &#8220;While I applaud [the inconvenient PR truth] initiative, I’m not totally convinced about either the approach or if it will work. It also fails to mention the elephant in the room – the media database companies.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Seaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Seaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wise. Very wise and mostly right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wise. Very wise and mostly right.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stuart&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Excellent post. I particularly liked the reference to sending by &quot;bike&quot;, as half the RealWire team cycles to work you have given me an idea for a new distributon method :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is fair comment to say that some of the rights are a bit ambiguous. Funnily enough the telephone point was one I thought about at the time as perhaps being unclear, but as these were for discussion we didn&#039;t want to go into too much depth as otherwise the list could have ended up being very very long! The main aim was, and still is, to get a constructive discussion started about these issues rather than a reactionary one in response to complaints and posts like this one are exactly what is needed to achieve that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the permission point though I am not sure I agree. Where a journalist is concerned then your approach may well be valid, but when outreaching to someone who blogs in a personal capacity then express permission is surely absolutely required and in fact there are legal issues here that apply to reinforce this. You could of course seek permission as part of a pitch, but nevermind legal reasons, isn&#039;t it more polite and respectful to ask someone&#039;s permission to talk to them in a very brief way first before starting a conversation - however relevant? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As the industry increasingly seeks to engage with the public in more direct means rather than simply though the traditional media, shouldn&#039;t we revisit how, and when, such traditional tools as press releases are used in these situations? Your own great work on the SMNR for Dolce and Gabbana is an example of this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wolfstarconsultancy.com/newsroom/jalou/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wolfstarconsultancy.com/newsroom/jalou/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Right off to buy some bicycle clips....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stuart</p>
<p>Excellent post. I particularly liked the reference to sending by &#8220;bike&#8221;, as half the RealWire team cycles to work you have given me an idea for a new distributon method <img src='http://stuartbruce.biz/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is fair comment to say that some of the rights are a bit ambiguous. Funnily enough the telephone point was one I thought about at the time as perhaps being unclear, but as these were for discussion we didn&#39;t want to go into too much depth as otherwise the list could have ended up being very very long! The main aim was, and still is, to get a constructive discussion started about these issues rather than a reactionary one in response to complaints and posts like this one are exactly what is needed to achieve that.</p>
<p>On the permission point though I am not sure I agree. Where a journalist is concerned then your approach may well be valid, but when outreaching to someone who blogs in a personal capacity then express permission is surely absolutely required and in fact there are legal issues here that apply to reinforce this. You could of course seek permission as part of a pitch, but nevermind legal reasons, isn&#39;t it more polite and respectful to ask someone&#39;s permission to talk to them in a very brief way first before starting a conversation &#8211; however relevant? </p>
<p>As the industry increasingly seeks to engage with the public in more direct means rather than simply though the traditional media, shouldn&#39;t we revisit how, and when, such traditional tools as press releases are used in these situations? Your own great work on the SMNR for Dolce and Gabbana is an example of this <a href="http://www.wolfstarconsultancy.com/newsroom/jalou/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wolfstarconsultancy.com/newsroom/jalou/</a></p>
<p>Right off to buy some bicycle clips&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Felt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Felt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart, I have a couple of things to add to this post - anecdotal evidence and intercultural perpective.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with the death spiral of bad practices within the PR agencies - the managers indeed perpetuate cold-calling and e-mail blasts upon the young execs, very often appealing to need to increase productivity. Some of my fellow PR practitioners keep hearing &quot;There&#039;s no time for that!&quot; or a more sophisticated argument &quot;The journalists appreciate the information, not personalisation.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for media lists, we are probably talking about two different landscapes in which the PROs operate - the Eastern and the Western. Given that the Czech media organisations are understaffed and the market is quite small, you can stuff the whole media list for the whole country into one Excel spreadsheet. Any media database company will go out of business, because the agencies are maintaining their media lists on their own. Paradoxically, this might be a good thing - the young PROs should get acquainted with the people they are catering to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart, I have a couple of things to add to this post &#8211; anecdotal evidence and intercultural perpective.</p>
<p>I agree with the death spiral of bad practices within the PR agencies &#8211; the managers indeed perpetuate cold-calling and e-mail blasts upon the young execs, very often appealing to need to increase productivity. Some of my fellow PR practitioners keep hearing &#8220;There&#39;s no time for that!&#8221; or a more sophisticated argument &#8220;The journalists appreciate the information, not personalisation.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for media lists, we are probably talking about two different landscapes in which the PROs operate &#8211; the Eastern and the Western. Given that the Czech media organisations are understaffed and the market is quite small, you can stuff the whole media list for the whole country into one Excel spreadsheet. Any media database company will go out of business, because the agencies are maintaining their media lists on their own. Paradoxically, this might be a good thing &#8211; the young PROs should get acquainted with the people they are catering to.</p>
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		<title>By: harrietcrosse</title>
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		<dc:creator>harrietcrosse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree. It’s about forging relationships, not mass mail-outs via “media databases&quot;. And If it&#039;s a news story, there&#039;s little point in email...get it on a reputable newswire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree. It’s about forging relationships, not mass mail-outs via “media databases&#8221;. And If it&#39;s a news story, there&#39;s little point in email&#8230;get it on a reputable newswire.</p>
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